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August 8, 2012

ASEAN Day 2012 – Your Thoughts!

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In honour of ASEAN Day, SEA Youth Say So would like to open up a discussion. As you can see, there’s no actual article here! But we just wanted to hear everyone’s thoughts. Here are some conversation-starting topics (but feel free to come up with your own):

- What does ASEAN mean to you?

- How is ASEAN perceived in your country?

- What are your perceptions of other ASEAN countries?

- What about ASEAN do you like? What has the association done that you’re happy about?

- What about ASEAN do you not like? What have they failed to do?

- What more would you like to see from ASEAN in the future?



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seayouthsayso
SEA Youth Say So is a blog that seeks to pool the talent, passion and skills of young people (as well as the “young at heart”) all over the region. We want to learn from each other through collaboration, as well as provide those from outside SEA with a glimpse into this part of the world. In this blog you will find posts on a wide range of topics: from serious social issues affecting our countries to where you might be able to find the best food. We bring you our perspective of things that are going on in SEA, while providing you with local tips on where to visit and what to do.




 
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frenzfries 5 pts

For me, ASEAN is like a "Barangay" in Philippines or a Village where its people always gather together and communicate to be able to settle disputes, make treaties or agreement in various issues so i think it is designed to create a diplomacy between neighboring countries. In our country, ASEAN is often recognized simply as an organization we're affiliated with just to show that the Philippines is involved in international relations even though the Government see it as an opportunity to attract investors but to most, it doesn't create much of an impact. Hopefully someday, ASEAN will become a spirit of "Bayanihan" or Cooperation by helping each other especially in times of need.

missgelai 6 pts

I only hear things about the ASEAN during the assembly of leaders or whenever there are ASEAN-related issues needed to tackle. I only see them on a few news bites and just that. I honestly think they do not create much noise and visibility in Southeast Asia, especially here in the Philippines. I'm not saying that the ASEAN should actively be involved in ALL matters of each member country, but I am wishing that people would know about it more. In that way, the people of Southeast Asia would feel the sense of oneness -- a little less alone in this side of the world. Anyway, just like other comments here, I am proud to be a Southeast Asian. I am blessed to be given the opportunity to have friends in the region. :) So yeah. 

kixes 16 pts

From sonnylebythebay : 

#ASEAN needs Citizen Diplomacy, engaging its own citizens at home, then reach out to overseas communities, esp in the US.

kixes 16 pts

 sonnylebythebay There are actually plenty of ASEAN youth activities, forums and camps. Yet often I find that these happen DESPITE the ASEAN governments, rather than in collaboration with them. A lot of the times the young advocates and activists who do go for ASEAN-region activities are actually taking on the government on numerous social and human rights issues, and therefore it's like the ASEAN-level and ground-level work are at odds!

kixes 16 pts

The whole thing about "non-interference" really annoys me as well. Too often it gets used as an excuse to turn a blind eye on each other's human rights abuses!

Vpedrosa 7 pts

Inability to agree on really important issues within #Asean is also a major issue.  Here's an article to get the debate going by @Kavi Chongkittavorn http://www.irrawaddy.org/archives/10929#.UCH-KfegGBQ.twitter

kixes 16 pts

 Vpedrosa  Kavi There just doesn't seem as if there is any unity or loyalty in ASEAN at all. It's a marriage of convenience that has lately become inconvenient since the various governments all have agendas that don't necessarily gel. We're supposed to be in it together, but governments still prefer to think in terms of "what is good for us, neighbours be damned" rather than "what is good for ASEAN?"

Vpedrosa 7 pts

I actually think Asean is incredibly important vehicle BUT just doesn't necessarily reflect needs of people as much as our governments ie political elites.  Anyway have a look at this to get a wider sense of what students in the region think http://www.aseanfoundation.org/documents/Attitudes%20and%20Awareness%20Toward%20ASEAN.pdf via @edinsing

kixes 16 pts

Vpedrosa shared on Twitter: 

"#aseanhaveyoursay 45 years on and problem is people are barely aware of any impact Asean has on our population of more than 500m!"

sayfun 5 pts

I'm a (foreign) teacher here in Thailand and see that many (vocational / governmental) schools and colleges go crazy about ASEAN right now. Students HAVE TO BE PROUD of it and are forced to do a lot of stuff regarding ASEAN to 'open their mind for the upcoming challenges'.....Not sure if making people study the member countries by heart (wow. 10. hard stuff) 'opens ones mind' though. 

 

Since I'm not a native here I might have the wrong impression but imo there are so many minor (and major) fights going on between the member states that I think it's unlikely to lead to a big success. Even with 2015 coming closer all countries simply seem to care more about their own, short term, goals instead of the big picture (something that's lacking many times over here - at least in Thailand). 

 

Hearing people from Singapore or Malaysia say 'why should we bother with the losers from Vietnam or Cambodia' reminds me a little of the EU were we (Germany) are pissed about helping Greece, Spain, etc. - not a good basis to start from. 

 

While the force is strong in young Skywalker, jealousy is strong in SEA (from a foreign-thai perspective) and I'm not sure if ASEAN led or will lead to a lot of improvements. 

kixes 16 pts

 sayfun I definitely think there is that problem within ASEAN – the people of the various countries don't necessarily even understand each other. As a kid growing up in Singapore we kind of only heard of countries like Thailand when there were news of kidnaps or riots or coups, and we were constantly bred to think that we're the richest or best, so what happens is that you end up getting Singaporeans who just feel superior. How do we build any meaningful cooperation out of this?

sayfun 5 pts

 kixes  sayfun Full ack. As long as stereoptypes and prejudices are being taught I don't see any change happening soon. From a Thai perspective I hear quite often 'Singapore doesn't need us anyway. They're to rich. And we (Thailand) don't need others since we're the biggest. We can do everything on our own.' 

 

Like mentioned before, as long as the big picture is missing it's hard to argue. It shouldn't be about Thailand or Singapore or any other country it should be about the community. But that's, of course, not working. In theory it does. In real life it doesn't. 

 

And I honestly doubt that the people in charge actually really want a change in the political landscape...but that's to much of a conspiracy theory. Back to the facts at hand: Education & awareness. Things that won't change just by saying: 'ASEAN FTW'. 

kixes 16 pts

 sayfun I think it doesn't help that there isn't really a community in that sense. ASEAN is very much a creation of our governments and seems detached from the ordinary people. While they have their summits and discuss deals and suchlike there is very little effort to actually get people to bond. I guess that's not something they care about.

fzz87 7 pts

I don't think you have to be proud of ASEAN to be proud of SEA. Actually, you don't even need to know ASEAN to know SEA. I'm a Singaporean and I love SEA, but I personally dislike ASEAN. It's a cooperation formed more out of convenience than benefit. One of the least effective in the world. The poor (or less fortunate) members can't do much, and the rich members won't do much. It's basically just a platform for the members to discuss about issues and show some interest. Beyond that, it's pretty much useless.

kixes 16 pts

 fzz87 Just looking at this whole issue about the territorial disputes in South China Sea. China doesn't need to worry much because ASEAN can't seem to even get its act together to exert any pressure. Even if countries like Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. get together I just don't see how countries like Singapore would bother to stick our necks out to help our ASEAN fellows and risk pissing China off.

cindilse 6 pts

I just read the history of ASEAN and erm...it's formed because they need to get rid of Creeping Communism (would've been so trendy on Twitter if Twitter existed back in those days)...but years later, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia are also included in the region anyway isn't it? Yet there's so much contention with including Timor Leste...what's up with that?

kixes 16 pts

 cindilse #CreepingCommunism! I wonder if we've actually dealt with that goal. It would seem as if we wanted to get rid of communism we'd be harsher on Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia? But we also have a policy of non-interference... how does that work? What if a country decides to creep? We want them to stop creeping, but we have non-interference?

kixes 16 pts

Personally I'm more proud of being Southeast Asian rather than of ASEAN. I can feel the connection between my SEAsian friends and I, and I love visiting the different countries, but I don't feel like ASEAN is related to my life that much. It's an association that's been set up by our governments and I don't necessarily feel like it is connected or related to the people of Southeast Asia so much.